Duhovni razgovori

[Morella]

ne zbog Srba..vec zbog drugi..kao sto je i uvek bilo..

Naravno,ni slucajno  da "nebeski narod" ponese deo krivice. Svi ljudi oko nas su zli, glupi, ruzni i debeli a mi smo lepi, pametni, redom filozofi , clanovi mense i najosecajniji narod na planeti i svi su ljubomorni na nas pa nas namerno zakidaju.
Smesno.
Ja zaista ne znam sto si ti tako kivna na Amere posto vidim da ti bas ne "leze". Naravno da svako nosi u sebi ljubav prema domovini i svojoj naciji i da svom narodu zeli dobro ali verujem da je slicno tebi razmisljao i Hitler kad je krenuo u ciscenje i stvaranja arijevske rase.
Ima divnih Srba, osecajnih, pametnih ali isto tako ima istih takih Amera, Rusa i Etiopljana....
Nema najpametnije, najosecajnije nacije.
U svakom zitu ima kukolja .
Budi realna.
A sad dosta o ovome jer odstupamo od teme.

svaki dan upoznajem ljude iz celog sveta,i nema naroda koji oseca vise od Srba

Los ti je misaoni hod. Nikada ne sudi kolektivu zbog pojedinca niti pojedincu zbog kolektiva. Sudi jedincu zbog onoga sto jeste  on sam, po prirodi. Sudi po njegovom karakteru ne po naciji.
Ocigledno si pametna devojka ali ne razmisljas "filozofski" trenutno vec si subjektivna sto odmaze.

imala sam priliku da zivim u Srbiji i mislim da je najlepsa zemlja na svetu.sto se tice svega..pa cak i naroda

Ovo je vec ok jer si naglasila da tako mislis. Tvoj stav je ok dok ne pocnes da ga reprezentujes kao opstu istinu .

To clarify: kad sam rekla da je srbija "bogata" mislim na prirodu a ne $$$$

Dzaba lepota prirode i sva njena dobra ako ne umeju da se iskoriste u svrhu zaradjivanja para.

I sad ovako, cisto da pitam, posto si ispisala tri posta diveci se Srbiji..kakve to veze ima sa bilo cim na temi?

[aleks18]

I sad ovako, cisto da pitam, posto si ispisala tri posta diveci se Srbiji..kakve to veze ima sa bilo cim na temi?

mislim da postoje cele nacije koje su smor ili naporne...ne kazem da su svi u nekoj naciji isti..ali moze da se kaze vecina..
gledajuci na filozofiju...kako se porede naprimer mexico i grcka?

mislim da je problem jezik i da me pogresno shvatas...izvinjavam se..I perform much better in English

i nemogu da verujem da si uporedila to sto sam rekla prema Hitleru! sigurno smo tu negde

I da jos nesto..sve mi tvoja misljena izgledaju kao neko sto bi rekao iz Srbije..a moja su suprotna jer sam u Americi naucena da tako mislim..da sam ja i moja nacija najbolja a svi ostali su nista (ustvari ja to nemislim..ali izgleda tako ispada)..

[Morella]

mislim da postoje cele nacije koje su smor ili naporne

Subjektivna + generalizacija opet

gledajuci na filozofiju...kako se porede naprimer mexico i grcka?

Zaista nemam nameru da trosim vreme i znanje poredeci iz filozofskog ugla Meksikance i Grke

mislim da je problem jezik i da me pogresno shvatas

Ja tebe jako dobro shvatam

a moja su suprotna jer sam u Americi naucena da tako mislim

Prvi stepen u cilju progresa uma : Odbaci sve sto su te naucili i pocni da mislis svojom glavom

Ako ti je lakse pisi na engleskom, sasvim dobro funkcionisem na njemu.

Tema koju smo zapocele jest bila da li neki pojedinci imaju urodjenu sklonost da misle "filozofski" i zasto pojedini pametni ljudi odskacu od drugih.Molila bih da se vratimo na to

[aleks18]

Alright, let's try this again.
Before I stated any of my concerns about the discussion we were having, I mentioned more than once that the questions I was posing were hard questions. All of the concerns that I had are philosophical problems that are 2,000 years old...I don't expect to solve them.

I was trying to go deeper into the language realm... from thinking to every other aspect of language,not necessarily the verbal. I'm still sticking to what I said.. that a person has an advantage if they are capable of thinking in more than one language..Somewhere in your posts you mentioned that words don't mean much...(you made an analogy to Hitler) you sort of come off as a Buddhist to me when it comes to words. They would rather hum it out and meditate rather than discuss any of the issues.Simply because words don't mean much..and the thinking cannot be so translated into words.) If that's the case...there would be absolutely no point in doing anything..(including this post). That's beyond me, hence the importance of words....language and etc.

Your reply was..everything is contextual and depends on the individual. Yes, I completely agree with this..you cannot judge a single person that you meet and conclude that nation is a certain way or etc.... But there needs to be a line distinguished between an individual and society altogether.Because nationalities do exist..there is a Greek, Italian...they have certain characteristics that are similar. I never used the words ONLY, OR ALL! So no, not identical. That's a whole other problem.

Also what is your argument against the Asian cultures concerning individuality? They absolutely have no "individuality" ..At school it has been known that a whole class will turn in a single same copy of a paper...and there is no problem with that. (Again..trying to prove a point..sorry if it seems off topic)

I think in general, 'humankind'  would rather die than think..and in many cases they do. So it's not so surprising that people just don't seem to think philosophically..people are pushing philosophy away (more so than it already is)! I am stating the obvious here..but just confirming what you said.

Lastly, I don't understand how this discussion leads off topic when individuals make up society.You have more rights and a better life within a society..rather than if you were to live by yourself...(at least I think so)

I don't seem to understand the problems that are based in a society that constantly try to impair your natural abilities and lead you into everything but your full potential as a human being.Starting from education.There is a lot of different issues that need to be addressed here. (or maybe we can just hum it out..everything will be ok)

I didn't have much time to revise this post.so I will be more than happy to clarify anything...but I wanted to get back to you and see what you have to say..and then we can go from there!  I would love to hear what you have to say about everything that I raised (including the 'off-topic'  since there is no  replying to the topic)

[lanavi]

I was trying to go deeper into the language realm... from thinking to every other aspect of language,not necessarily the verbal. I'm still sticking to what I said.. that a person has an advantage if they are capable of thinking in more than one language..Somewhere in your posts you mentioned that words don't mean much...(you made an analogy to Hitler) you sort of come off as a Buddhist to me when it comes to words. They would rather hum it out and meditate rather than discuss any of the issues.Simply because words don't mean much..and the thinking cannot be so translated into words.) If that's the case...there would be absolutely no point in doing anything..(including this post). That's beyond me, hence the importance of words....language and etc.

Licno cenim prednost razmisljanja na vise jezika ali je moc ravnopravnog izrazavanja sopstvenog misljenja na oba Ili vise njih neizmerno vaznija. Ovo je samo dobronameran komentar u smislu podstreka za sve one koji su imali srece da odrastaju uz jezicke kombinacije.

“Ubi me prejaka rec” – sopstvena ili tudja, izgovorena ili neizgovorena, ozbiljna ili izrecena u sali…zato je vazna onoliko koliko kazuje njena sustina odnosno njen smisao ali ona postaje prazna ukoliko je izgovorena s losom namerom, a nekada ako je ne prate konkretna dela. Zato izgovoreno nekada ne mora da znaci nista a cutanje da kaze sve. Na ostalima je da procene dubinu i smisao izrecenog ili precutanog. Bujica praznih reci moze da bude stetnija, beskorisnija, besmislenija od muka ili pogleda kojim ce biti sve izreceno. Zato reci same po sebi ne moraju da znace nista a mogu da znace sve – u skladu sa time sta zelimo, kako hocemo i da li volimo da to ucinimo.   

Also what is your argument against the Asian cultures concerning individuality? They absolutely have no "individuality" ..At school it has been known that a whole class will turn in a single same copy of a paper...and there is no problem with that. (Again..trying to prove a point..sorry if it seems off topic)

Individualnost – rezultat kulturoloskog, istorijskog, religijskog, nacionalnog. Gradi se na osnovama genetskog ali i sveopsteg potencijala okruzenja. Usadjuje se vaspitanjem, prenosi ucenjem, formira pod uticajem spoljnog ali i snagom licnog.
Nekada je lakse ici uhodanom semom no izrazavati razlicitost iz prostog razloga sto je sposobnost podnosenja kritike usled te raznolikosti u nekih manja. Zato se individualnost kod nekih ispoljava mnogo lakse pa smo zahvaljujuci tome bogatiji za umetnike i ostale stvaraoce ciji nas performansi odusevljavaju ili zgrazavaju u zavisnosti od licnih afiniteta.
Ako bi definisali razlicitost nacija onda se prica svodi na isto. Zapadna kultura neguje individualnost od malih nogu i uci dete da bude samostalno, samoizrazajno, da ispoljava misljenje i donosi licni sud nezavisno od okoline. Sve to biva limitirano na neke suptilnije nacine ali ako i postoji privid individualnosti onda je sistem to lepo osmislio da ne izgleda kao opterecenje i nesto negativno.
Istocne kulture naprotiv grade duh kolektivizma, ljubavi prema opstem a ne posebnom, potrebu da se poistovete sa proslim, uz gradjenje kulta i mitova. I u tome ima nesto pa ne treba osudjivati drugu krajnost.
Nas kao narod, naciju, ne zelim da komentarisem, uvek smo bili na ivici zileta. Ne mislim lose ali ne mislim ni dobro.

I think in general, 'humankind'  would rather die than think..and in many cases they do. So it's not so surprising that people just don't seem to think philosophically..people are pushing philosophy away (more so than it already is)! I am stating the obvious here..but just confirming what you said.

Mislim da je stvar u izboru pojedinca, pa neka bude i drustva u celini sta mu je lakse – neko trazi zaborav, neko se priklanja vec provereno dobrom pa nema potrebe za smisljanjem, neko uporno lupa glavom u zid bez razmisljanja, a neko se ubija od razmisljanja i ne moze nista da smisli sto zbog razloga neresivosti situacije, sto zbog sopstvene gluposti. Filozofiju ne treba odbacivati ali ne treba se i slepo nje drzati. Neke filozofske misli i pravci imaju univerzalnu, bezvremensku vrednost ali realan zivot namece nove situacije koje ne trebaju da olenje nas um i konkretne poteze. 

[ZileZilet]

Mislim da ugrozene nacije neguju kolektivno razmisljanje, a da stabilne drzave zapada mogu da daju individualizmu na volju.

[lanavi]

Kada govorim o individualizmu i kolektivizmu onda ne mislim na politicko opredeljenje ili izrazavanje nacionalnog.
Individualizam kao pojam vezuje se za izrazavanje licnog stava po svim pitanjima pa i onih vezanih za konkretnu kulturu.
Zapad je ja - Istok je mi. Mozda je razlog tome vekovna pokornost siromasnih koji su kao jedini nacin opstanka imali mogucnost udruzivanja i poistovecivanja sa idejom. To bi onda moglo da se podvede i pod grupu osvajaca jer bi u suprotnom njihova misija bila bezuspesna. No, kada se kolektivnim ugusi individualno onda se zatomljuje pozitivno pod negativnim. Time se negira covek a potencira grupa koja u okolnostima pogresnog vodjstva poprima oblik razularene mase. Ne vidim dobro ukoliko se ideja pojedinca stavi iznad grupe a ni obrnuto.

[Morella]

Jako slatko poredjenje sa Budistima. Mada razocaracu te, smatram da su sve organizovane religije glupe  a ni budizam nije nista drugaciji usprkos prihvacenosti Sopenhauerove teze o budizmu kao ateistickoj religiji .

They would rather hum it out and meditate rather than discuss any of the issues.Simply because words don't mean much.

Dakle, da istina, rechima se izrazavamo. Rechi su simboli koje je covek smislio radi lakseg prepoznavanja I sporazumevanja. Reci ne predstavljaju sustinu pojma vec ono opazajno, metaforu necega sto opazamo culima ( a ono sto ja opazam ne mora biti ni blizu tvojih opazanja). Rechi su uopstene metafore prilagodjene  proseku  kako bi svi pojedinci, bez obzira na svoju ogranicenost imali kakvu takvu sansu da komuniciraju .
Ali kao sto rekoh rech – simbol necega ne opisuje sustinu istog.
 Samim tim mi se mozemo nabacivati rechima do sutra u svrhu da jedna drugu pobedimo u verbalnom ratu ali ne mozes doci do “dubokih istina” necim sto je I samo neistinito. Ne mozes doci do sustine nepoznatog pomocu  nepoznatog. Iz tog razloga reci ne vrednujem mnogo. Daleko od toga da su beskorisne ali isto tako im ne treba pridavati veci znacaj no sto ga zasluzuju.

Your reply was..everything is contextual and depends on the individual. Yes, I completely agree with this..you cannot judge a single person that you meet and conclude that nation is a certain way or etc.... But there needs to be a line distinguished between an individual and society altogether.Because nationalities do exist..there is a Greek, Italian...they have certain characteristics that are similar. I never used the words ONLY, OR ALL! So no, not identical. That's a whole other problem.

Usprkos neslaganju, za mene ce pojedinac uvek imati prednost u odnosu na drustvo I ne sme biti zrtvovan za dobrobit zajednice. Nijedan kolektiv nije toga vredan.
 Slazem se da postoje karakteristike ili bolje reci mentalitet jednog naroda, no postavlja se pitanje, koliko je taj mentalitet zaista primenljiv na sve u odnosu na to koliko mi sami zelimo da zaista budemo takvi.
Naprimer : Srbi su ponosan narod.
Ok, ponosan u kom smislu? 80% ljudi koje znam zaista jesu vrlo ponosni ali to ne zavisi od nacije vec od vaspitanja. Ne radjamo se sa mentalitetom, radjamo se u okruzenju koje ima tendenciju da nas vaspitava u tom maniru.Ne radjas se sa ljubavlju prema naciji, toleranciji prema odredjenim stvarima vec ih usvajas tokom zivota I postajes savrsena kopija tipicnog Srbina/Engleza/ Nemca or whatever.
Sledeci problem se javlja kod definisanja nacije kao “dosadne”, “lepe”... Vise puta si spomenula “cela nacija” da bi u sledecoj recenici demantovala sebe sto je bilo konfuzno ali pustimo to. Ocigledno je doslo do trenutne zabune tj tvog losijeg izrazavanja na srpskom I moje netrpeljivosti prema generalizacijama :)
Recimo da pokusam ovako “ Italijani su lepi ljudi”. Mislim da je ovo jedna cesta generalizacija medju ljudima.
Zasto su Italijani lepi ljudi? Ne zato sto ima najveci broj lepih pojedinaca vec zato sto se najveci deo nacije stereotipno, opstim fizickim karakteristikama uklapa u neciju sliku lepog. Recimo ovako : ja volim tamnokose ,tamnoputije tipove, moderno obucene , volim da su navalentni . Tako ,znaci odredili smo moju ciljnu grupu. E sad, potrazimo na karti naciju koja je na glasu kao takva. Evo Italija. Vecina muskaraca u Italiji je takva dakle Italijani su najlepsa nacija?
E trt.
1.   Ne mora da znaci da Italija ima najveci postotak lepih ljudi samo zbog toga sto su neke njihove osnovne crtve ocenjene kao olicenje lepog
2.   Moj shablon lepote se mozda ne poklapa sa tvojim sto dovodi do toga da komotno za svaku naciju mozemo reci da je najlepsa ( koliko ljudi toliko cudi)
Isto to mozes primeniti I za problem dosadnosti, glupoce, osecajnosti itd…….

Also what is your argument against the Asian cultures concerning individuality?

Sto se tice Azije I individualnosti, nisam preterano upucena u tematiku Istocne kulture I individualnosti, slobodno me uputi ako mislis da je vazno.
Smatram da ne mozemo svi biti jednaki  ili da svi treba I mozemo da budemo takvi. Covek je bice od krvi I mesa I sam po sebi, po svojoj prirodi predstavlja individuu ne nesto serijske prozivodnje. Isti mogu biti jastuci ili masine za pranje vesha ali ne I samostalna misaona bica sa svojim potencijalima I sklonostima. Ne zelim da kazem da treba da budemo podeljeni na siromasne I bogate ili potlacene I aristokrate vec da kao licnosti nismo jednaki cak ni kad to bas zelimo…samim tim I ne mozemo svi  raditi iste uloge..
Buda negira sopstvo samim tim I individualnost ali ostavlja otvoreno pitanje “Sta je zaista sopstvo”  lagano nas navodeci na to da se sopstvo nalazi u nirvani..  Ja necu ulaziti u to sta je sopstvo, sta je Ja jer ne umem da ti definisem te pojmove a samim tim necu poricati njegove rechi. Pojedinac ne mora imati pojam o svom sopstvu da bi smo uvideli da prakticke razlike postoje.
O budizmu kazem ne znam previse I samim tim mi je glupo da sad argumentujem protiv. Ne volim da se petljam u stvari o kojima nisam dovoljno promislila.
I ovaj sledeci deo me malo zbunio

.At school it has been known that a whole class will turn in a single same copy of a paper...and there is no problem with that. (Again..trying to prove a point..sorry if it seems off topic)

Nisam razumela( nije mi engleski izgleda toliko dobar  :wink:. Kakve papire su predali I ako su ih I predali sta to dokazuje? Nema frke za offtopik nego sta pokusavas da mi dokazes?

I think in general, 'humankind'  would rather die than think..and in many cases they do.

Naravno, lakse je umreti nego ziveti I preuzeti odgovornost. Ne cudi …

Lastly, I don't understand how this discussion leads off topic when individuals make up society.You have more rights and a better life within a society.

I don't seem to understand the problems that are based in a society that constantly try to impair your natural abilities and lead you into everything but your full potential as a human being.

Naravno da covek ne moze odvojen od drustva jer je drustveno bice I cak I da se izoluje od drustva on ne moze pobeci od njega jer ne moze pobeci od samog sebe.
Gde sam ja to navela kao offtopik?

(or maybe we can just hum it out..everything will be ok)

Usprkos ironiji u tvom postu mozda bismo I mogle. Stavise ja bih volela da vecina to radi, bilo bi manje gluposti  na ovom svetu.( nista na licno tvoj racun)

I would love to hear what you have to say about everything that I raised (including the 'off-topic'  since there is no  replying to the topic)

Ne znam na ciji je racun ovo islo I treba li da se osecam prozvano, u krajnjem slucaju nije ni vazno. Postavila si jako mnogo pitanja, previse razlicitih pitanja . Ja nemam nista protiv offtopika ako je u svrhu objasnjenja glavne teme. Ali ti postavis pitanje pa kad ti se odgovori ti ne odgovoris vec se prebacis na nova pitanja I cudis se kad te neko zamoli da ne offtopikujes vec da svojim odgovorom shiris temu.Tj postavljas pitanja I ne pokusavas da odgovoris. Da bi se problem resio ( uslovno receno) treba naravno sagledati sve mogucnosti ali isto tako ne sme se udaljavati od problema previse I treba biti organizovan I sistematican pri svakom koraku.
Izvini sto je text na srpskom ( mislim da razumljivije pisem na njemu) a nemam ni vremena zbog ispitnog roka da prevodim. Ako sam nesto krivo shvatila slobodno mi ukazi na to jer ja imam tu ruznu naviku da citam brzo a odgovaram jos brze pa nekad promasim poentu. Ako sam uradila to sada ukazi pa cu da se ispravim : )

[Plodni bizon]

Usprkos neslaganju, za mene ce pojedinac uvek imati prednost u odnosu na drustvo I ne sme biti zrtvovan za dobrobit zajednice. Nijedan kolektiv nije toga vredan.

Bravo! Ne samo da nije vredan nego je okrenut protiv onoga zbog koga postoji. Ne postoji zalaganje za zajednicu a da podrazumeva samozrtvovanje, jer upravo ti cinis zajednicu, pa ako se zrtvujes, cinis nazao i samoj zajednici!
Ovo dalje sto se prica nastavlja na temu generalizacija i predrasuda nacionalnog karaktera mi je ispod svakog nivoa da diskutujem. Da sam pijan mozda bih, ovako imam dostojanstva i necu da vredjam sebe kroz toliko smesne generalizacije, predrasude, neka svako nazove to na svoj nacin, usvakom slucaju je nezrelo.

[DramatisPersonae]

O.k. samo jedna refleksija na gornji post.

Ne postoji zalaganje za zajednicu a da podrazumeva samozrtvovanje, jer upravo ti cinis zajednicu, pa ako se zrtvujes, cinis nazao i samoj zajednici!

U chovekovoj psihi jasno stoje podvojena lichna, individualna svest tj. nachin postojanja, i kolektivno, zajednichko postojanje.
Lichna je ona koja dobija, kolektivna je ona koja daje. Odnos izmedju njih je u onom shto sledi posle, tj ako uzimamo, ne dobijamo samo po sebi, ili ako dajemo dobijacemo samo po sebi. Potencirash li pojedinca, potencirash sebichnost i uobrazenost. Potencirash li kolektiv izgubicesh sebe (shto je jako jako dugotrajan proces).
Banalni primeri: zashto bih ja davao krv, davao dobrovoljne priloge za ugrozene, zashto bih ja pozajmljivao pare nekome kome trebaju, a vecini ne trebaju zaista jer su svi okrenuti sebi, i tako mnogo dalje... mislim da nisam niti hteo niti jesam dao kvalitetan odgovor na ovo ali o tome sam vec odgovarao Domacem Izdajniku, na temi homoseksualnost. (onaj gorostasni post koji verovatno nije niko ni prochitao osim mene).

[Morella]

Banalni primeri: zashto bih ja davao krv, davao dobrovoljne priloge za ugrozene, zashto bih ja pozajmljivao pare nekome kome trebaju, a vecini ne trebaju zaista jer su svi okrenuti sebi, i tako mnogo dalje.

Pa zaista zasto bi?
Nije kao da dajes ista od toga a okrenut si kolektivu

Salu na stranu, ne postoji altruizam...postoji covekova sebicna zelja da se istakne necim. Zelja da mu se zbog necega dive .

Dakle u prirodi svakog pojedinca imas sebicnu jedinku. Potenciras li pojedinca dobijes ono sto on zaista jest - sebicno bice. Potenciras li zajednicu dobijes izvestaceni moral.

Svodi se na isto.

[DramatisPersonae]

Pa zaista zasto bi?
Nije kao da dajes ista od toga a okrenut si kolektivu

Salu na stranu, ne postoji altruizam...postoji covekova sebicna zelja da se istakne necim. Zelja da mu se zbog necega dive .

Dakle u prirodi svakog pojedinca imas sebicnu jedinku. Potenciras li pojedinca dobijes ono sto on zaista jest - sebicno bice. Potenciras li zajednicu dobijes izvestaceni moral.

Svodi se na isto.

Verovala ti ili ne, ono shto svi zajedno chinimo nije samo "nasha predstava", nego kolektivno bice. Odnosi choveka prema choveku nisu tu samo zbog prvobitnog choveka koji ih je pokrenuo. I zaista, nisu svi sebichni, tj. nisu svi apsolutno sebichni, jer kad bi bili apsolutno sebichni onda bi ispali iz drushtva pa ne bi mogli biti sebichni? A to da moderan zivot potencira pojedinca iznad ostalih i drushtva je istina. isto kao npr. shto politichari nas kao stoku skupljaju u tor, mi nismo tu u toru kolektiv iako smo svi stoka, mi se i dalje borimo za premoc nad ostalom stokom. A i oni koji se bune tome shto su stoka su i dalje stoka prema ovim drugima od kojih vape bunt protiv njihovog chinjenichnog stanja. Zato nema vishe dobrih politichara, jer svi smo mi stoka. Zato nas i drzava tretira kao stoku, a potencira to stochno mishljenje jer je i drzava nastala od stoke.

[Domaci Zdajnik]

Ne mislim da je u prirodi da čovek bude sebičan. Postoje ljudi koji su (ne znam da li po prirodi/genima) uvek otvoreniji i bolji prema drugima nego prema sebi. Oni koji bi skočili u vatru i izgoreli da bi drugog spasili, i to bukvalno. No, postoji moral koji se tome protivi i koji naprosto zahteva zdravi egoizam kod svih, pri čemu se itekako vodi računa o zajednici, ali tek posredno. Jer ono neposredno dobro uvek je usmereno ka pojedincu, ka agentu delanja.

[aleks18]

I am not too sure if I am understanding you correctly..but it seems that we both agree that words are very useful as well as language. I agree that being able to express oneself in one language is wholy more important than knowing two or three...but I don't think that we can compare the two realms. In fact, I think that the 'importance' of being able to express oneself better just indicates why words hold so much value.(of course in the context that they are being used in..that's a given).

 It seems to me that even though words are very useful, they still don't seem to be enough. To begin to figure out the possibilities of languages...and how they are never enough...is it possible that there is a language that is just that much closer to accomadate one's mind or the natural aspects? But there is so many languages out there that it seems that it would be impossible to know what language is "better" for a lack of term...because in order to judge what language is more natural to us, we would have to know the language. I hope that made sense..it just seems to me that different categories of language are very useful when referring to "philosophical thinking" and that there of course are people who lead a more so fullfilling this thing we call 'life'.How language ties in with the rest of our mind just seems like endless possibilities..and it seems like its not as simple as saying "words do not mean much because they are symbols we created". Everything that we do is based around words..even this post!..so to be able to undermind words, you must be quiet. But I am not too familiar with language...at least not yet.

I am barely learning about the East..but it very much seems like you are some sort of a Buddhist haha..There are a lot of different forms and not just the Schopenhauer's view. There is of course many paradoxical ideas, just like any other religion, but I'm sure if you looked much further into it..you would find yourself agreeing with a lot. At least from what I read from your response...

You also stated that I ask a lot of different questions and then move on to another subject, but that's how my mind works. I still cannot decide on anything..and currently everything in my state of mind is confusion..and I am very hesitant to brush anything off as not very important or take it the way someone else says I should. I try to go off my own experiences...and that is what I think puts me into the category as a "philosopher"..I do not have set ways for anything...so maybe that is why I jump around from subject to subject? Maybe?

But you mentioned something like "Srbi su ponosan narod." It's hard to generalize and put anyone into category..but there are things that we can characterize..for example language...me and you both do not think the same way but we probably have two languages in common. Overall...I think people are proud to be whatever they are because you cannot be anyone else but you..just like you said we are not born with "culture", we learn to accomadate to whatever culture that we are born into..This is not too much of what I was going into as the whole "Serbians are better than the rest of the people"..not even close to what I think. But..it always makes me question..there probably are people...individuals that lead a very much fulfilling life..because that is what I am here to do..live life.. So maybe there is an objective way of looking at cultures..because cultures like in the East do not even see themselves as "individuals"..umm I lost my train of thought right here..so maybe I will expand on this in the next post. If it doesn't make sense...just ignore it. :)

[aleks18]

The reason that I mention the East in regards to this post is because of their culture. You mentioned that I should introduce what I know about the East if I think its of any importance..I very much do think that.At least it should be a huge concern in the philosophy world right now. There is a study about a theory that undermines all of philosophy from Greek philosophy to the current.That very much worries me.

The research that I am studying is about obtaining the same thing with different ways. Is there the right way of doing something objectively..or do different things create a whole? When looking at anything..for example a chair.(and let's say this chair is the focal point). Westerns notice the chair first, while the people from East notice everything BUT the chair...and that is the perception that they use towards everything possible in life.

This is what I'm concerned with...cultures as whole. The Western thought of philosophy has always been 'we all think differently..therefore whatever suits you..is the right way..its  up to the individual". The Eastern thought is completely the opposite.. they do not see the world with the same perception. I can't stress how big the difference is. They do not see people as individuals but as a whole.  Referring to my last post of the example that I gave...about the kids that are in school have a tendency to turn in the same papers for example like creative writing homework assignment. It is perfectly okay to turn in identical papers.

If we can prove somehow that different premises get us to the same conclusion ...what does this mean?Serbia does have principles that are somewhat similar to the Chinese people (From what I understand..Serbia used to be a socialistic country). I guess what I am trying to say is that it has not been proven yet that one view might be better than the other. I'm not actually sure in what way the word 'better' would be used..but it would completely undermine ALL of the Western philosophy.

I understand that this post has been pieces mixed in together with a lot of different stuff but thats because I am just writing without revising...hopefully I'm somewhat clear...I just feel that its very important to bring up this problem..although I haven't given it much thought myself.